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on Apr 18, 2020 21:32:25 GMT
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I know that Osawa was just a marketing film, like Vivitar and Soligor, and that lenses from Setagaya and Tokina were sold under the Osawa brand name.
But I just learned -- and I should not be surprised -- that Tomioka made several enlarging lenses which were sold under the Osawa name -- labeled as "Osawa Tominon-EL".
It just makes me wonder if Tomioka made camera lenses with the Osawa name as well. It seems likely, and like Soligor and Vivitar, they probably came with M42 and C/Y mounts.
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on Apr 18, 2020 21:34:04 GMT
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on Apr 19, 2020 1:44:55 GMT
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Unfortunately, I don't see it either. The Not Found [CFN #0005] error it shows seems to reference an error related to WordPress sites, but I have the feeling you aren't using WP. ... On the Osawa connection... I don't think I've seen anything 'official' that came straight from Tomioka itself about the full extent of who they supplied with lenses. And by lenses, I mean a completed lens assembly or the individual elements they could have supplied to be further assembled by others. Although I haven't been actively looking for any documents, I'm not sure that whatever there might be would ever be complete enough to get the full picture. Sometimes partnerships like those from Minolta and Leitz or Yashica and Zeiss might be broadcast by marketing departments as big deals and great for the consumer, but I doubt that contract work would have been as beneficial to announce for the contractee when their technical reputation could take a hit. There's is one curious thing that comes to mind... They did use "Tominon" badging on some Polaroid Pathfinder models where they supplied the optical blocks only (without the shutter/iris assemblies), as used on the 120's for example, but they never showed any such branding on the Polaroid Speedliner 95A/95B's they assembled for the same European market. I'm guessing those were simple (or even, single) elements only, and not factory collated and pre-built lens blocks. |
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on Apr 19, 2020 7:15:15 GMT
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on Apr 19, 2020 20:24:32 GMT
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Thanks @peterr ... I can't even get the editor here to quote your corrected link without manually altering the reply on the BBCode tab. I'm not sure if this is a recent change or if it's the intended behaviour that's been here all along. Either way, the web link won't retain it's usability when it contains spaces, and the 'fix' of using '20%' may not stick in further edits or quotes. While replying, I tried doing a search through ProBoard's support forums and found that this issue isn't new. The reply editor itself is coded to modify any HTML codes inserted by users (i.e., text and image URL links) that contain 'white space'. Hyperlinks that contain them will be broken, and if the entire length of the text string is longer than 115-120 characters, ProBoards will insert a blank space automatically to keep the text from 'stretching' the width of the forum's content area space. In short... URL's with spaces will always break. Any text string exceeding the 115 character limit will get broken into smaller chunks - whether they're page links, image links, or just plain text. Unfortunately there's no possibility to override ProBoards coding to modify this behavior. |
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on Apr 20, 2020 12:36:49 GMT
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You learn something new every day. I've changed the name of my graphic to www.subclub.org/palettedlensflowchart.jpgIt works now -- with no spaces. It's not really that exciting.
I put it together while trying to trace the roots of the Tokina 650mm f8.5 T-mount CAT. For some reason, Tokina never sold it as a Tokina, but it was sold as an Osawa, a Soligor, and as a Bell & Howell (and perhaps others).
A similar graph could be put together for the Tomioka 500mm f8 CAT which, as you know, was sold as a Yashica/Yashinon, a Spiratone, and a Revuenon (and perhaps others).
A more interesting graph, to me, would be of the Tomioka humongous 600mm f8 & 800mm f8 lenses which started out as Super Yashinons, Vivitars, and Soligors (and perhaps others) -- but were later modified by Tokina and sold as Tokinas, Vivitars, and Soligors (and perhaps others).
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on Apr 20, 2020 13:51:14 GMT
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on May 7, 2020 20:53:15 GMT
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Through a little bit of investigation, it appears that there were Tomioka enlarging lenses from 40mm to 135mm sold as "Osawa Tominon" and simply as "Tominon". My first guess is that they are the same. My second guess is that they were never sold with the Yashica name on them -- except MAYBE the 40mm. This extensive website: photocornucopia.com/has most or all of these lenses -- under the enlarging lenses section -- under OSAWA. He, and many others, apparently like these lenses as macro lenses. I've used enlarging lenses as macro lenses -- but none of these. Have any of you macro lovers tried any of the lenses?
Any bets that the OSAWA TOMINON EL 40mm f3.5 and the YASHICA 40mm f3.5 are the same animal?
This is enough proof for me:
and to expand the question even more, I'll throw in the Hoya SUPER EL 40mm f3.5 to the line-up:
But why wouldn't Yashica sell some of Tominon's other enlarging lenses, like their 50mm f2.8 or 60mm f4.0? Or medium format lenses???
P.S. I have no idea why these images don't show up, because they show up in the preview mode -- so just cut and paste.
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on May 12, 2020 12:29:12 GMT
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Can anyone see the images (above) without having to cut & paste the URLs?
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on May 12, 2020 17:47:25 GMT
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xkaes could we please stop this tomoika conspiracy madness? No offense, but...i do know this since at least 2005 or -2003 ! I've even posted this here from Kameradoktor.de long before: www.kameradoktor.de/tomioka1,255mm/ (feel free, to use Google Translate) This whole "Tomioka" Greatness is pure madness. You can read all about this BS onto the Kameradoktor.de Link above.  greetings, Marc
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on May 12, 2020 21:55:08 GMT
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I don't know anything a "this tomoika conspiracy madness" or "This whole "Tomioka" Greatness" thing. I only own one Yashica lens. That's it. One. I just find it interesting when lenses show up under other names -- from a photographic historical perspective. A great example is the Tokina 650mm f8 cat which never showed up under the Tokina name, but has appeared under the Osawa, Bell & Howell, and Soligor labels. I don't think there is any conspiracy involved in any way, nor does this make it a great lens. It's interesting to me and I hope to others as well. On one of my websites, the SUBCLUB, I have a list of all of the enlarging lenses designed for submini work. One lens in particular, a 35mm f3.5, appeared under the Soligor, Vivitar, AIC, AIC-PSL, Pritz, Coligar, Perfex, Phago, and Spiratone labels. I find it interesting. Was there a conspiracy? No, just different people (who didn't know each other) who wanted to make some money selling lenses. Was there anything great about the lens? No, it's results are even lower than its selling price.
There are only two Yashica/Tomioka lenses on the list, despite Yashica making a plethora of submini cameras in the 16mm, Minox, 110, and half-frame formats. Did Yashica think that their customers never used a darkroom? At the same time that Tomioka was making a bunch of enlarging lenses? Makes no sense to me, but stranger things have happened.
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on May 13, 2020 19:54:35 GMT
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Xkaes, i meant these 2 guys, which tried to create a "Cult" back into 2003-05, about Tomioka Lenses, saying they're as good as Leica, etc.
There have been much stories, much BS floating the Net some 15-17 years ago.
All fine.
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