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on Mar 15, 2020 18:08:14 GMT
Posted: Mar 15, 2020 18:08:14 GMT
Greetings Forum,
is there any chance, -way to get a Service Manual for the mentioned Yashica T-Zoom Point&Shoot 35mm Camera? Mine simply stopped working, quite some years ago, and i am wondering what is it. How-to fix it?
best, Marc
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on Mar 19, 2020 1:39:09 GMT
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There are so many things that can go bad on a P&S camera, Marc. Electronics are one of the biggest issues, what with sometimes sub-standard parts installed, or moisture invading the camera shorting things out. Batteries also can corrode circuits far from the battery well. Then there is the fact they are mostly made of plastics, and not the good kind like what is used now. It gets old and brittle and screw posts can break off, or a film drive gear will crack and jam up the works. Plus they were not designed to last for a long time, as it was hoped by the manufacturers that folks would either upgrade to the interchangeable lens systems, or replace their old P&S with the latest model. Most of the service manuals then would have been only supplied to the factory repair centers, and even then they usually only worked on them if they were still in warranty because otherwise the owners didn't think it was worth the price to fix them. Most camera repair places I knew that would work on P&S cameras only did so if they had a bunch of parts donors that had been traded in on better cameras. But first they had to be able to convince the owner to pay the going rate. As to your camera, since it just stopped, I'd say it's an electronics fault. Now that could include something as simple as an actuator button is not being pressed (as when you close the back door after loading film for auto winding), or as complicated as a flexible PC board has cracked. Try finding a replacement for that! Anything in the controlling chip set and its auxiliary circuits could have failed. It would be easier to just replace the camera than to fix it, but the you never know how long the replacement will last, as many of those style of cameras did not get the best of handling by their owners. But if you insist, one place to find repair info on these is You Tube www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnptPHHaJ_I&vl=enGood luck! PF
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on Mar 22, 2020 21:47:58 GMT
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Hi PF, i know, but the thing is - the T-Zoom is a way decent P&S, albeit with a slow, but fine Zeiss T* 28-70 Zoom Lens. It does also have a halfbody Aluminium Case, it's not cheap Plastics like the Prime Lens T to T5 Series.  I'd wish for, someone could repair it, because from physical appearance, it does look like new. Thanks for your help. Marc
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on Mar 23, 2020 2:29:23 GMT
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Hi PF, i know, but the thing is - the T-Zoom is a way decent P&S, albeit with a slow, but fine Zeiss T* 28-70 Zoom Lens. It does also have a halfbody Aluminium Case, it's not cheap Plastics like the Prime Lens T to T5 Series.  I'd wish for, someone could repair it, because from physical appearance, it does look like new. off Thanks for your help. Marc Since it is dead anyway, it couldn't hurt to go ahead and open it up to see if there are any physical issues that are easily rectified. As for that aluminum case, that is just a shell over the plastic body. I've got some other cameras from Canon and Pentax made the same way, so inside it's just like any other P&S.
But like I said before, any repair person is going to have to convince you it is worth their rates to repair it. After a search on eBay, the least expensive BIN price I saw was used at $279.99 with free shipping from Japan. Then there were two parts cameras, one at BIN $84.99, and the other on three bids sitting at $5.50 with two days left. And one other with the box and instructions with no bids starting at $56.00 and four days left. The highest BIN was $479.99 for an unused in the box with case, neck strap, remote control, and instructions.
So there are your choices. It's going to cost at minimum $100-150 if it is repairable, and if not there likely still is a bench charge of around $35-50. You also have to factor in shipping costs both ways. The Zoom-tec series were the only P&S repair manuals I see on eBay, and it is not very similar to your camera other than the zoom range. I wish there was more I could do to help, but I've never worked on one of those before, and don't have any parts ones laying around.
Here is a fun fact: Get across the power terminals of the flash circuit with your fingers if it has been charged up, and it will leave an ashen burn mark. Did that on an Olympus one night.
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on Mar 23, 2020 20:43:07 GMT
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I've just put a battery (CR123A) today into, and loaded a cheap roll of Film (Kodak Gold 200) and you know what happend? The Film Transport Motor winded all the time without End - i've thought the worst, and it truly happened: within Seconds, the T-Zoom transported the whole (!) Film, all 36 Frames to the other Side..doh!  But the Lens seemed to come to life, afterwards again, it's just that after that Winding Issue, the Battery (was brand new, Varta) already showed 3/4 Percent being depleted...
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on Mar 24, 2020 13:35:21 GMT
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High current drain sounds like severe electronic component failure(s) or a short. You might be able to pop it open, and replace some/all circuit boards - but - the problem, as others have mentioned, is in finding working donor parts that you're sure are in working order before you put them in. There's also no guarentee that there's not some mechanical part shorting circuits either. Things physically break and wreak havic when they 'float' around.
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on Mar 24, 2020 20:46:39 GMT
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That does sound like a real mess. Sometimes the total wind on occurs because the frame counter has malfunctioned, or the film sensor that counts the sprocket holes is dead (which one it is depends on whether it has mechanical or electronic controls for film winding). It could be something stuck if a mechanical issue, so maybe rewind the film and load it again. Might clear up on its own. Does the Rewind work?
The thing is, having sat many years in a state of non-functioning, it's going to be hard to determine just exactly what the issue is, but it really sounds like an electronic failure. As lumiworx says, a short most likely. Could be some water got in there, or a capacitor from the flash leaked, or a loose screw is stuck to a circuit board. All those would be quite evident after opening up the innards for inspection.
The only thing you can do for testing is to put another new battery in, turn the camera on, and don't load the film but go through the motions of opening up the back and closing it. The camera should go through a short cycle of winding to determine if the film is loaded correctly, then display 00. See if there is another major discharge of the battery as before, and also if the other functions work. If it acts normally when focusing, taking a photo, and using the flash then you've isolated the issue to film transport. Look to see what sort of method is used to confirm film placement.
One thing I just read in the manual is that the LCD can display a weak battery symbol with certain cells even though it is brand new. The remedy was to turn the camera Off, then On again to clear the display, and return it to showing a full battery. If this happens, then there is no short, but you still have a film transport problem.
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on Mar 28, 2020 14:51:05 GMT
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Thank you Guys, it's sad...i do like this small P&S Yashica (Kyocera) very much...and it's another thing, whileas i do besides this 35mm Camera, don't like automatic Film Transport, etc. Auto anything Gear, but fully mechanical one, for instance, the FX-3, besides the Lightmeter, it's a pure mech. SLR...and it simply just works, even it doesn't give me joy or chills like my Contax Gear, whileas shooting.
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on Apr 7, 2020 2:13:22 GMT
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If it is any help, Marc, I've had a few small cameras that I was enamored with which eventually gave up working properly for one reason or another. The most frustrating one was the Canon Sure Shot 120 Classic, of which I went through four of them before throwing in the towel. But their design made them susceptible to failure, which taught me to never get really attached to any of my P&S cameras, no matter how wonderful they seemed to be.
The simpler ones work much longer than the complicated models because there is less to go wrong with them.
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on Apr 10, 2020 6:22:42 GMT
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Yes PF, that is true. I would get a 3rd (!) 28-70 T-Zoom soon, next week, i'd guess..and see which issues that sample would have...Perhaps, i might open one of them (that one, which is optically not into 95-98% condition, but around ~90%) and would try perhaps to replace all inside capacitors, and especially Elkos. The thing is, if it works, it can give decent IQ, depending onto the Film, Subject and Light Conditions, albeit only on sunny Days, because the Lens is really slow from Speed. It's more like a variable Focal Length camera, whileas it is being marked as "Zoom", there is no stepless zooming with this Lens.It stops at 28, 40, 50, 60 & 70mm focal Length only.
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on Apr 13, 2020 2:17:28 GMT
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Most vari-focal cameras I ever had were only two lengths, usually 35 or 38 and 60 or 70. First I've ever heard of a five stepper, Marc.
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Most vari-focal cameras I ever had were only two lengths, usually 35 or 38 and 60 or 70. First I've ever heard of a five stepper, Marc.
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The T(4)-Zoom is really being a stepping Zoom, it's Zeiss 28-70 is not a gapless "Zoom" Lens, for real.
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on Apr 25, 2020 3:25:14 GMT
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Most vari-focal cameras I ever had were only two lengths, usually 35 or 38 and 60 or 70. First I've ever heard of a five stepper, Marc.
PF
The T(4)-Zoom is really being a stepping Zoom, it's Zeiss 28-70 is not a gapless "Zoom" Lens, for real.
An aluminum shelled camera that might interest you is the Pentax IQZoom 120SW which has a 28-120mm SMC Pentax Zoom Lens. It's small, lightweight, pocketable, and takes good images. It has a minimum amount of control buttons (Master Control:Off, On, Self Timer, Remote Control, and Shutter Release; Flash Control; AF; and Date) with a top LCD read-out, and a diopter adjustment on the viewfinder.
The camera photo is larger than life size by about 20%.
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on Apr 20, 2021 18:35:58 GMT
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I also have a T-Zoom which now displays the battery empty sign and won't do anything. I could open it and remove the front and back cover and found a wire which somehow seems to have come loose. Now I'm not sure where to solder it to, it must be either the board on the very top or the one below that where the capacitor is attached to. Does anyone have (may be a defective) T-Zoom and could open it and post a picture of the wires taken from the top and front of the camera? That would be really great.
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I also have a T-Zoom which now displays the battery empty sign and won't do anything. I could open it and remove the front and back cover and found a wire which somehow seems to have come loose. Now I'm not sure where to solder it to, it must be either the board on the very top or the one below that where the capacitor is attached to. Does anyone have (may be a defective) T-Zoom and could open it and post a picture of the wires taken from the top and front of the camera? That would be really great. If you look around closely you should find a spot where it was soldered to. Anywhere within reach of the wire end should be suspect.
PF
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