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on Mar 17, 2014 23:13:31 GMT
Posted: Mar 17, 2014 23:13:31 GMT
I love the Yashinon-DX 45mm f/1.7 in my Electro 35s. The sharpness, the color rendition give that glass a character all its own. So to try to reproduce that with my SLRs and mirrorless digital cameras, I ordered a Yashinon-DX 50mm f/1.7, which I'm expecting in the next few days. I assume that the 45 and the 50, although slightly different in focal length and field of view, are similar in more than the name and the maximum f-stop.
But while researching the SLR lens, I found that a number of Yashinons are mildly radioactive, containing some amount of the element thorium in their rear elements. Camerapedia.com, probably not the most complete or accurate source, lists them as the Yashinon-DS 50mm f1.4 Yashinon-DS 50mm f1.7 Yashinon-DX 50mm f/1.4 Yashinon-DX 50mm f/1.8 Yashinon-DS-M 50mm f/1.4 Yashinon-DS-M 50mm f/1.7 Yashinon-DS-M 55mm f/1.2 Yashinon-ML 50mm f/1.7 Yashinon 55mm f1.2 (Tomioka)
The DS 50/1.4, DS 50/1.7, and DX 50/1.8 are also featured in YouTube videos, with geiger counters to measure their radioactivity.
I've never seen anything that says the Electro 35 G/GS/GSN's Yashinon/Color-Yashinon-DX 45mm f/1.7 has any radioactivity. Is that the case? What about the M42-mount DX 50mm f/1.7?
I've been shooting with SMC Takumar 50mm f/1.4 lenses off and on for decades, and I'm not afraid of the relatively mild radioactivity they produce, but, not owning a geiger counter to test the Yashinons myself, I'm curious to know for certain which of them are not radioactive. Does anyone have any more authoritative information?
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on Mar 18, 2014 9:59:57 GMT
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WOW! I have a Geiger counter. I have also some of the 50mm lenses. Don't worry is perfectly safe, if you don't swallow the lens. The alpha particles from thorium can be stopped with a piece of paper. I will have to check. Let you know. Here is my counter www.flickr.com/photos/padrian2/12841487494/
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on Mar 18, 2014 14:19:55 GMT
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Don't worry is perfectly safe, if you don't swallow the lens. Yes, I've heard it said you'd have to grind up the lens and inhale the dust to do any damage. You have a geiger counter! I'll look forward to hearing whether the GSN is "hot."
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on Mar 18, 2014 14:26:53 GMT
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I have four of the lenses in the list, and the lens on my Kodak Signet 50 is also radioactive. So far, no ill effects. And I find that my new third eye is quite helpful at times.
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on Mar 18, 2014 21:14:20 GMT
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Okay... at first there is no radiation at all. You know if I use a salt substitute the Geiger will go crazy. Anyway... I'm waiting for another Geiger tube ordered two weeks ago and I will re-test my radioactive Yashicas. But seriously, alfa & beta radiation is everywhere.
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on Mar 19, 2014 1:41:13 GMT
Last Edit: Mar 19, 2014 1:44:27 GMT by greyscale
I have some depression glass plates that are much more radioactive than any of my lenses. They even fluoresce under a black light. The proper term used to describe them is "Uranium Yellow" (although to my eye they look more green than yellow), as they used small quantities of uranium as a pigment for the glass. My three headed grandmother used them for more than 50 years, and I have had them for about twenty years and my tail has not fallen off yet, so I guess that they are safe.
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on Jul 20, 2014 22:32:58 GMT
Posted: Jul 20, 2014 22:32:58 GMT
Admin, did you get that geiger tube and test your lenses with it?
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on Jul 23, 2014 22:10:40 GMT
Posted: Jul 23, 2014 22:10:40 GMT
The good thing about the radioactive elements, usually lanthanum and thorium, used in camera lenses in the 60s and early 70s (to increase the glass’ refractive index) is that emission levels are pretty low at around 1mrem/hr - no problem. It would only become a potential issue if you had a camera (some were made) that also used thorium in the viewfinder and used it with a lens for around 6 hours a day for a year...so most unlikely.
Also, most of the radiation is emitted in the form of alpha particles which have an incredibly short wavelength - but, they can decay and produce small quantities of the more harmful beta particles; again, typical usage will mean that there's no issue. The bigger problem is more practical which is that the radiation can degrade the cement that's used between certain elements and the resulting slight yellowing can cause light loss as well as a change of contrast when shooting b/w film.
So, enjoy using your Yashinon lenses - they're gems and won't cause harm unless you surgically attach one to your eye...
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