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on Mar 8, 2019 14:53:20 GMT
Posted: Mar 8, 2019 14:53:20 GMT
Hi all.
Years ago, I stumbled onto Yashica ML glass and was immediately hooked. I may differ from most on this board in that my primary use is filmmaking rather than still photography. My collection included the 28/2.8, 35/2.8, 50/2.0, 135/2.8, and 200/4. Most of my video work at the time made shooting with primes impractical. They sat on the shelf and eventually became one of those “if it’s not making money, sell it to get something that will” scenarios. So I did. I sold the entire set in 2012, and honestly have missed having them around ever since.
I couldn’t stand it anymore and was finally in a place where I could afford to rebuild the collection, so I’ve been stalking on eBay and have found some great buys. I’m back now with the 24/2.8 (A150****), the 35/2.8 (A130****), and the 50/1.4 (A1002****). The latter was sold as NOS and, though the box was a bit worn around the edges, the lens was in the plastic bag inside the styrofoam sandwich and seemed to have no signs of use. All three lenses are absolutely immaculate. A true cinema prime set would be 24, 35, 50, and 85, but I may add the 135/2.8 soon since there’s no 85mm in the ML series. This is already a better set than the one I owned previously.
It’s been raining in East Tennessee. A lot. So I haven’t had a chance to go out and shoot with these lenses yet (they just arrived over the last two weeks). Hopefully I’ll have some footage to show very soon. ML primes make amazing lenses for video/filmmaking.
Glad to find this forum for the detailed information on (and samples from) many of the ML lenses.
Cheers! Alex
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on Mar 9, 2019 3:07:47 GMT
Posted: Mar 9, 2019 3:07:47 GMT
Welcome to the Forum, Alex. It's good to have someone with video skills in the group.
PF
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on Mar 9, 2019 17:53:51 GMT
Posted: Mar 9, 2019 17:53:51 GMT
Welcome, Alex...
For an entirely different reason (and from a 1980's time frame), I've also been rebuilding my ML lenses, but for stills. In some respects it has been beneficial when gaining better glass than owned in the past, but in my case there were certainly a few frogs kissed to get to the better optics I have now. Ultimately I've expanded on what I had before, so that too has its benefits.
It's true that there's an obvious gap in focal lengths in the short tele range of Yashica glass without an 85mm or 90mm 'portrait' length - but - I might be able to offer you a compromise if you'd be willing to eek out a few more millimeters. The ML 100mm Macro can slip into place as a stunning prime that's plenty sharp, and it's still 100% Yashica underneath in terms of optical qualities for color, contrast, and separation depth. It will additionally give you macro capabilities of course, but it's very capable of handling infinity equally well. It might be a bit on the rare side and they can get slightly pricey if you're impatient, but it would match up really well optically to everything else in your set.
If you really prefer sticking to an 85mm, there's also the two possibilities from Zeiss in C/Y mount too. The Sonnar at f/2.8, or the Planar at f/1.4. The Sonnar is probably available more often than the ML 100, but the pricing should roughly be similar between them. The Planar can get even pricier, but it's capabilities can be worth the difference when you really need the extra 1+ stops it offers.
One word of caution if you're tempted into the Zeiss camp. One C/Y Zeiss lens is never enough. :)
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on Mar 9, 2019 18:14:59 GMT
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Thanks for the warm welcome! Yes, I’ve been looking at the 100mm macro, though it seems harder to find than many and often shows up in the bellows mount version. And I’ve also been looking at the Contax Planar 85/1.4. Pricey, but freelance work has been good recently and I may be able to make that work. This is actually my preference over the ML 100mm macro. As soon as the weather clears, and I have a few down days, I’m going to take a little time to shoot a sample film with the ones I have. One word of caution if you're tempted into the Zeiss camp. One C/Y Zeiss lens is never enough. Yeah, I also found it to be that way with the MLs the last time I started. I’d actually love to add the 15/2.8 as well. Discussion on this board regarding that lens has been mixed due to the barrel effect. But that can be advantageous in video/film, and it’s the kind of lens you don’t really go into without indtending to get that result. The example still photos I’ve seen here are quite lovely.
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on Mar 9, 2019 20:33:03 GMT
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I’d actually love to add the 15/2.8 as well. Discussion on this board regarding that lens has been mixed due to the barrel effect. But that can be advantageous in video/film, and it’s the kind of lens you don’t really go into without indtending to get that result. The example still photos I’ve seen here are quite lovely. It was unfortunate that the weather was so bad that I couldn't do more than 3 test shots with the 15mm, but Dragos has posted several images taken on a Sony A7 in the forum and I think they're pretty indicative of the results most users can expect in its native fish-eye form. At least the de-fishing seems to work rather well and that's encouraging for still users. Which begs the question... Is there any digital processes available in video to help with corrections for fish-eye distortion? I'm curious about what the results would be - even without any correction. Are you shooting in full frame, or in a cropped format body for video? Another alternative, but this time for the ML 15mm, might be the ML 21mm f/3.3 lens. Although it's not quite the same in viewing angle, it is a rectilinear type, so there's no curved distortions as deliberate as with the fish-eye. In Yashica branding it's the widest in the rectilinear ML line, but again, there are several Zeiss variations in both types.
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on Mar 10, 2019 0:57:18 GMT
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Which begs the question... Is there any digital processes available in video to help with corrections for fish-eye distortion? I'm curious about what the results would be - even without any correction. Great question, and absolutely. FCP X, DaVinci Resolve, and Adobe Premiere Pro CC all have distortion correction. It’s popular with folks who spend a lot of time working with action cams like the GoPro and DJI Osmo that have native fisheye lenses. I’m sure it’s available in other NLEs as well. I’d love to put that 15mm on and see what happens. I’ve shot video with the Tokina 11-16mm, usually for landscapes and specialty wides, and the results are good. I get barrel distortion at 11mm, not so much (but not 100% gone) at 16mm. Are you shooting in full frame, or in a cropped format body for video? Crop sensor. I actually prefer to stay in the APS-C, Micro 4/3, and Super 35 sensor neighborhood for motion picture. Depth of field responds closer to classic 16mm film, and I like that. People got into shooting video with full frame and got addicted to razor-thin focal planes. It was so bad that, for a time, story was sacrificed for bokeh. Infairness, that happened with APS-C sensors in DSLRs as well, but it was even worse with the 5D. Full-frame (and larger) can look great in the hands of a skilled professional - I work on shoots with Sony Venice, Panasonic Varicam, and Red 8K, and ARRI Alexa 65 is found on all sorts of major motion pictures - but for my personal stuff I really like the way (certain) crop sensors respond.
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on Mar 11, 2019 16:22:08 GMT
Posted: Mar 11, 2019 16:22:08 GMT
If 2.8 is sufficient, you should really consider the Zeiss 2.8/85. Its so tiny and smart. I sold mine, when I bought the 1.4/85 and there are times when I regret that.
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on Mar 15, 2019 20:54:35 GMT
Posted: Mar 15, 2019 20:54:35 GMT
I second mathias’ comment on the 85/2.8 Sonnar. I did the same - but have ended up with both...
I’d also suggest buying the 100mm ML ahead of the 135, the macro is a much better lens all round.
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on Mar 16, 2019 15:23:49 GMT
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I second mathias’ comment on the 85/2.8 Sonnar. I did the same - but have ended up with both... I’d also suggest buying the 100mm ML ahead of the 135, the macro is a much better lens all round. Thanks for the feedback, y’all! I have looked over both the Sonnar and the Planar many times. Personally, I prefer the Planar’s 8-blade aperture to the Sonnar’s 6-blade. And the f/1.4 doesn’t hurt for my purposes. Waiting on the last two productions I’ve worked to pay before I can pull the trigger on one of these... but I’m also looking at a new 4K cinema camera (which will then be taken out with my MLs for a little hands-on testing).
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on Mar 23, 2019 22:31:47 GMT
Posted: Mar 23, 2019 22:31:47 GMT
Well, I bought a Zeiss Planar 85/1.4. Should be here in a few days... along with a new 4K cinema camera body. The waiting is the hardest part.
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