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on Oct 30, 2022 22:03:47 GMT
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These don't seem to be terribly common, as I've only seen a handful over the last few years. I'd presumed they were from Yashica Europe, or even Jebsen, and maybe weren't destined for export to the US, however, I was corrected in thinking that once I came across this one that was NOS as a Yashica/Kyocera product, with the AF era box design, warranty cards, and mini instruction booklet. I haven't any clue just yet if these were rebrands of something else, so I'll just pop in some photos of it, and a CS-14 as comparison. I have to dig out my copy of the CS-14 instructions to do some detailed comparisons, but in the meantime there are some visible items worth noting. The obvious is on the rear and how the CS-14 has a traditional 'calculator wheel', versus the simple table sticker on the CS-15. There's also the absence of any red test button on the CS-15 and it instead uses a pushbutton style ready light. The more significant difference is in where they are manufactured, with the CS-14 coming from Hong Kong, and the CS-15 hailing from China. There is a marked difference in fit and finish, as well as construction and materials, with the CS-14 being the better made. There are two other differences not visible from these 2 photos. These both use 2 AA batteries, but the CS-14 has it's side-mounted slider door on the lower half, while the CS-15's batteries are accessed from a slide-in clamshell piece at the top-rear edge. It's difficult to tell from these views, but there's also a considerable difference in depth, with the CS-15 being deeper than the CS-14 by half and uses a heavier stepped-front design, so it's very top-heavy and feels clumsy to use.
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on Oct 31, 2022 0:04:13 GMT
Posted: Oct 31, 2022 0:04:13 GMT
The CS-15 does remind me of something -- maybe a Vivitar flash? ?? The size of the tube chambers is very different, but it probably does not impact the coverage at all. Also, the C-14 only has an electrical contact on the right-hand side (when looked at from the rear) of the shoe. Is it the same for the CS-15? For some reason, most small flashes only have ONE contact, and it's always on the right side of the shoe. And all of the larger flashes have TWO side contacts -- one on each side. I still haven't figured that out yet.
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on Oct 31, 2022 6:45:25 GMT
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.... Also, the C-14 only has an electrical contact on the right-hand side (when looked at from the rear) of the shoe. Is it the same for the CS-15? For some reason, most small flashes only have ONE contact, and it's always on the right side of the shoe. And all of the larger flashes have TWO side contacts -- one on each side. I still haven't figured that out yet. I remembered to look for that specifically in case you asked, and the answer is, yes. The foot section of the flash is shaped differently, but the pad it terminates in - and the metal contact it houses - look identical. Other than that small sliver of hardware, everything else is vastly different. Flashes aren't exactly tops in my personal knowledge base, so the similarities will likely pass me by without either getting lucky with some obvious clue or by downright stumbling onto the master maker by accident in a visual search. My grasp of manufacturers is limited to the major players of the OEM brands that do their own stuff in-house, but otherwise, a small number of the Vivitar and Metz lines are probably the most familiar to me. There's something I can't put my finger on about the CS-15 that seems off the mark to be a Vivitar... probably the wacky battery cover that sits in such a precarious place with almost no 'grab' to stay in place. I just can't imagine a familiar mid-brand maker producing something like this. But again, I could just as easily be wrong, so... I'll see what there is at the low end at similar specs to find a candidate to match to. According to the 1980 dealer price sheet, there were 5 flash models sold under the Yashica brand. The CS-10, CS-14, CS-20 Auto, the CS-200 Auto, and the PRO-50DX. That's the newest list I have that covers Yashica OEM flashes. There is also a further complication that showed up when doing a Google image search for " Yashica CS-15". There are at least 2 different looking models that share the same model number, where each have different layouts on the rear panel and a bottom battery compartment. This one is listed on KEH and is the other example.
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on Oct 31, 2022 7:42:27 GMT
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It looks like the version shown on KEH is a Dot Line DL-50M Manual Flash, but the Kyocera version only looks very similar from the front and side views. There are a few similar rear views seen on flashes from Sakar (SM17), Rokinar aor Arkon flashes (both, as AR14), so it gets muddier as it gets deeper with multiple models.
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on Oct 31, 2022 10:09:34 GMT
Last Edit: Nov 1, 2022 10:15:24 GMT by biggles3
Just a quick observation on the CS-15: it's trigger voltage is truly frightening! In fact, the CS-10, 14, 15, 18 & 20 all have trigger voltages that are far higher than any of the other post-1980 Yashica units; they're so extreme that they would fry any digital camera if used directly on one.
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on Oct 31, 2022 12:12:28 GMT
Posted: Oct 31, 2022 12:12:28 GMT
That's really odd. I can only think of one reason to do that -- $$$$$, of course -- but I guess that's why the small flashes only have one contact on the side of the shoe, too!
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on Oct 31, 2022 23:00:53 GMT
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Just a quick observation on the CS-15: it's trigger voltage is truly frightening! In fact, the CS-10, 14, 15 & 20 all have trigger voltages that are far higher than any of the other post-1980 Yashica units; they're so extreme that they would fry any digital camera if used directly on one. Oh, absolutely ... and that's exactly the reason I bought a couple of the isolation type adapters that cut the voltage down to 6v or less. They can also provide another contact pin depending on which brand, so they'd offer a way to link another flash as well, but that's just a bonus. There might be one downside to using these adapters, where you'd likely end up with manual settings only. I doubt any TTL functionality would be possible with them, but they do offer safe connectivity.
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on Nov 1, 2022 12:22:51 GMT
Posted: Nov 1, 2022 12:22:51 GMT
Thanks for the unintentional tip. I have one of those voltage adapters, and it might solve my problem with nice, small, auto-exposure flashes that have the single hot shoe contact on the WROHG side.
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on Nov 1, 2022 16:08:47 GMT
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Thanks for the unintentional tip. I have one of those voltage adapters, and it might solve my problem with nice, small, auto-exposure flashes that have the single hot shoe contact on the WROHG side. Yeah, there are are few types from a couple of makers. Wein has the SafeSync for up to 400v ( the 990-560, at $49 with the added PC Sync socket), and Vello (the HSA-PVU, up to 60v at $35) and a few others have some budget models. Size-wise they aren't quite as big as an optical flash adapter, but they do add one more small chunk of hardware to stack off the socket.
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on Nov 1, 2022 16:34:24 GMT
Posted: Nov 1, 2022 16:34:24 GMT
I was afraid of that. I tracked down the one I have and it works fine. The problem is -- as you noted -- that it pretty much doubles the size of the tiny flashes I want to use. That's OK, I have a very nice Minolta 118X. It's small, but not tiny, but has two auto modes and manual mode -- and only two AA batteries. Until I find a Cosina CX-11 at a decent price, I'll live with it.
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