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on Jun 23, 2016 12:08:33 GMT
Posted: Jun 23, 2016 12:08:33 GMT
hallo good folks, I have already some experience in cleaning and even re-collimating fixed lenses (yashinon dx 50 1.4, jupiter 3 m39, nikonos I 35 mm prime). However I'm at loss at dismantling the above yashica mc 35-70 3.5 4.5. I cannot go beyond taking off the bayonet mount and the diaphragm wheel mechanism. As you can see in the attached pics, I have found two sets of three micro screws on the front collar and rear collar of the lens. I have removed five (number two in the attached pics has lost its shape and will need probably drilling away) I have also removed the screw under the gum that covers the focusing barrel. Lens cannot be furtherly dismantled apaprently, if anybody knows how to proceed i would be very grateful 48 Attachments:
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on Jun 23, 2016 14:53:20 GMT
Posted: Jun 23, 2016 14:53:20 GMT
Suddenly it unscrewed for good.
helicoid grease looks old and there seems to be too much, it is gray and abundant, possibly it is standard hardware store grease.
I suspect from the badly assembled parts, the twisted diaphragm lever and the wobble of the mounting that somebody tried to repair it without proper calmness and minimal knowledge, reassemblng it hurriedly to prepare an ebay special ..
it is the second lens I receive this month being described as good while having a tuck diaphragm, this also having a badly wobbling mount.
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on Jun 25, 2016 18:17:06 GMT
Posted: Jun 25, 2016 18:17:06 GMT
I generally won't work on a zoom, unless I'm feeling frisky. Too many variables to look out for, and some of them you can't collimate without an optical bench. Too bad someones been inside that one before you.
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on Jul 1, 2016 13:21:27 GMT
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I generally won't work on a zoom, unless I'm feeling frisky. Too many variables to look out for, and some of them you can't collimate without an optical bench. Too bad someones been inside that one before you. PF i was able to completely clean and disassemble the iris, while dismantling the front triplet as well by drilling two holes in the ring with the lens name on it (I couldn't use a stopper since it was blocked so I drilled two holes and used a caliper as spanner). However it doesn't focus when remounted and it is just another riddle as the iris (it was a good idea to learn how to reassemble such iris, it was a really nice school and I feel more confident when dealing with more serious primes eventually). I do not know if such a cheap lens is worth another day of sweating. The previous owner has also left many cleaning marks that affect coating, when looking at infinite (still in focus) image is good but this is not the best yashica lens for sure. When framing landscapes in strong backlight it fails to convey workable images and i already have the c/y vario sonnar 35/70 as standard workhorse.
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on Jul 1, 2016 15:21:02 GMT
Posted: Jul 1, 2016 15:21:02 GMT
Finished! It actually was the barrel cover that was fixated the wrong way.
all in all the real problem with this lens was that cleaning the internal surfaces for minor dust would actually dirty them, since isopropyl or distilled water would leave behind strong spots.
never occurred with other lenses including c/y zeisses.
I spent much more time on cleaning than on actual registering and repairing mechanical parts.
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on Jul 3, 2016 18:36:14 GMT
Posted: Jul 3, 2016 18:36:14 GMT
Well done on refusing to be beaten by the lens! As you say, it was useful as an educational process but it would have been simpler to buy another lens as the MC versions are quite cheap; they were not produced at Yashica's Tomioka facility but were outsourced, mostly to Cosina. You have to go back a long way to find the classic Yashica 35-70 lenses which are the constant aperture ML f3.5 and f4 versions that were made in the late 1970s and 1980s and built like tanks.
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on Jul 4, 2016 6:38:21 GMT
Posted: Jul 4, 2016 6:38:21 GMT
Well done on refusing to be beaten by the lens! As you say, it was useful as an educational process but it would have been simpler to buy another lens as the MC versions are quite cheap; they were not produced at Yashica's Tomioka facility but were outsourced, mostly to Cosina. You have to go back a long way to find the classic Yashica 35-70 lenses which are the constant aperture ML f3.5 and f4 versions that were made in the late 1970s and 1980s and built like tanks. In Italy some local sources make it available at 20 euros. And rightly so since in backlight it becomes unusable because of total flare. However its iris construction proved a very nice testing ground, learning on good lenses might result in disappointing and costly failures. When learning shotgun restoration we were just given low level mechanisms, often irrationally built. Makes sense. now that the lens work again I can say that in normal, non backlight use it may work pleasantly, leading to useable images. The zeiss 35/70 vario sonnar is not so far in sharpness, being oviously slightly better but not exceptionally different, it simply works perfectly under any light so the yashica is unfit for professional use while with the zeiss you ever gather a good image 77
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on Jul 6, 2016 4:00:05 GMT
Posted: Jul 6, 2016 4:00:05 GMT
Your comments have reminded me of a possible issue with flare in the MC lenses.
I have been advised that those lenses that are 'MC', unlike the 'ML C' (Compact) such as the 135, 200 and 300mm versions, do not use the Yashica ML coatings but use the premium coating of the manufacturer to which the lenses have been outsourced. That may explain the flare problems.
Although the ML coatings are inferior to the Zeiss T*, they are pretty good and if you set the ML 35-70 f3.5 against the much-praised Zeiss f3.4 version, from f5.6, there is no difference in contrast or flare resistance between them.
Interestingly, Yashica made a short range zoom which is actually a match for any Zeiss zoom - the ML 28-50 f3.5. Back in its day, it was the second most expensive lens (only the Reflex 1000 f11 was costlier) made by Yashica in their Tomioka factory and the ML coatings work superbly. I have three of these lenses and have never suffered flare problems and the images produced show a lot of contrast. If I was asked by someone to recommend just one zoom from Yashica, the 28-50 would be the one; it's a Zeiss in all but name. Indeed, a UK camera magazine which reviewed it alongside Zeiss primes actually rated it as high for image and build quality as those Zeiss primes which included the Distagon 16mm fisheye - a famously sharp, contrasty lens! If you ever get the opportunity to buy one that's in good condition, grab it straight away - you won't be disappointed.
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on Jul 8, 2016 15:12:15 GMT
Posted: Jul 8, 2016 15:12:15 GMT
I have just acquired a 35 105 mc, alas full of fungi. I hpe to be able to clean it but the front doublet is infected and it apepars to be cemented, one day in peroxyde plus ammonia didn't solve so much of the filaments so I think it will be gone forever.
If I ever suceed at cleaning it it will be nice to see its behavior in backlight.
As for the 35-70 I really love it though, humble mule and extremely useful as such
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on May 13, 2017 22:05:52 GMT
Posted: May 13, 2017 22:05:52 GMT
I do love the construction of my 35-70/3.5 ML. Have the MC Lens, too...but not used yet. The ML 35-70/3.5 also not really, i do use my Minolta 35-70/3.5 MD instead, because i do own 2 or 3 copies, just in case something goes ugly.
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on May 13, 2017 23:54:09 GMT
Posted: May 13, 2017 23:54:09 GMT
The MC 35-70 is a complete dog lens, to my mind--slow, soft, and given to vignetting. I would not waste any time on it.
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on Oct 3, 2017 13:58:21 GMT
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The MC 35-70 is a complete dog lens, to my mind--slow, soft, and given to vignetting. I would not waste any time on it. Just right. But still being better than the 35-70/3.5-4.8 Cosina built, als Plastique-drastique "ML" Version. :-) Whatever Ghost or Devil Yashica have had ridden these days, isn't being known....
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