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on May 15, 2020 11:17:36 GMT
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Hi Folks, I got this one today. Nearly as new, Made in Japan and AE, but with the silver ring. And, let me say .... well-priced ... very well-priced. Surprisingly I do not find lots of data in my own documents: The ONLY ZEISS book doesn't mention it, a sales-folder of YASHICA Germany doesn't mention it and it is as well not mentioned in a German book about the Contax-Yashica system. As far as I remember, the production in Germany was discontinued and lateron there was another badge produced in Japan. Anybody out there, who can provide me with some more information? I know that it was rumored as the best lens available for CONTAX regarding the MTF-graphs.
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on May 15, 2020 12:41:38 GMT
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I took a look at the Zeiss draft list/spreadsheet, and it's not there, so I'll add what I can as I have more details. I did find a review from Phillip Reeve on his site, so there's a bit of the basics from his perspective, plus one more with some tech-related details and tests. I also found a copy of an old Zeiss datasheet online. Oddly I don't see it in the 'official' list of legacy datasheets. I just started looking at samples and reviews on the 100mm f/2.8 Makro-Planar yesterday as a Zeiss alternative to the Yashica 100mm Macro, so now I'm curious about the Sonnar 3.5 version too.
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on May 15, 2020 13:35:34 GMT
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I took a look at the Zeiss draft list/spreadsheet, and it's not there, so I'll add what I can as I have more details. I did find a review from Phillip Reeve on his site, so there's a bit of the basics from his perspective, plus one more with some tech-related details and tests. I also found a copy of an old Zeiss datasheet online. Oddly I don't see it in the 'official' list of legacy datasheets. I just started looking at samples and reviews on the 100mm f/2.8 Makro-Planar yesterday as a Zeiss alternative to the Yashica 100mm Macro, so now I'm curious about the Sonnar 3.5 version too. I have a nearly complete collection of the CONTAX/YASHICA NEWS . So I will check this pile of paper and post what I found here.
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on May 15, 2020 13:37:33 GMT
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I've added what I can to the Zeiss Spreadsheet, and will update if there's anything new.
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on May 15, 2020 15:57:14 GMT
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lumiworx : I did some homework and looked through my papers. Here is a list of the first mentioning of a lens in the German CONTAX/YASHICA NEWS. I have added an info, if the lens was NEW or UPDated. In Addition I added an information about DISContiunation, when available, but the presentations have great headlines in BOLD and discontinuations were more or less hidden. It turned out that some of the issues are missing, so the overview is not complete. Especially I am searching for issues 4 / 24 / 29 / 31-34. And we should not think that the mentioning is the same as ready-to-market. E.g. the 4.0/80-200 was first announced in 198410 and the first ones were delivered to German customers in 198606. The japanese-built lenses came quite quickly after first announcement. And here is the first announcement in CONTAX/YASHICA NEWS No. 2 For your list: Filter is 55mm not 59, and there is an AE type and an MM type available. Maybe there are even two AE types: AEG and AEJ, there should not be any MMG, only MMJ on the market.
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on May 15, 2020 21:36:42 GMT
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For your list: Filter is 55mm not 59, and there is an AE type and an MM type available. Maybe there are even two AE types: AEG and AEJ, there should not be any MMG, only MMJ on the market. Thanks for the added info... I wondered about the filter size, with 59mm being out of place for most Zeiss T*'s of the same series. I misinterpreted the German text, and picked it based on it's position on the sheet, and not on an actual translation. :) That also means I can fill in the additional data on the ring, hood, pouch, etc., as they'll match the specs used for other 100's, it's lens dimmensions, and a 55 filter size. As for the AE and MM versioning, I've opted to use the later MM designation when there were both types made, and show the AE's whenever there were no MM versions made for a particular model. If there was an MM made, that automatically means there was an AE. At least I don't think the opposite ever happened, but someone please jump in to verify that before I leave it as-is. I've added a note on the Japan-only details, since I hadn't differentiated country of origin in the default data table for any Zeiss lenses listed. Can you verify the magnification factor too, so that I can also add that into the notes? I think it might be a 1:1 if it's barrel is similar to the Makro-Planar 100 and the ML 100. Also... I've not added in any details on minor version differences or any production dates on the list/spreadsheet. I'll leave that to others who'd make a copy of what's posted and edit their copy to include all the fine details they'd like on their own.
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on May 16, 2020 14:53:38 GMT
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For your list: Filter is 55mm not 59, and there is an AE type and an MM type available. Maybe there are even two AE types: AEG and AEJ, there should not be any MMG, only MMJ on the market. If there was an MM made, that automatically means there was an AE. Can you verify the magnification factor too, so that I can also add that into the notes? I think it might be a 1:1 if it's barrel is similar to the Makro-Planar 100 and the ML 100. I think there are some lenses that were only made in MM form. The Vario Sonnars 28-70, 35-70 and 28-85 I think were all introduced post MM. So no AE versions. The 100/3.5 isn't a macro lens. Closest focus is 1m.
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on May 16, 2020 15:52:55 GMT
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Thanks for the correction info @peterr ...
I did make the wrong assumption about it being a macro (from several 'colon' related notations). Unfortunately my 5th grade German class was eons ago, and beyond "Frohe Weihnachten und ein glückliches Neues Jahr" I've forgotten what little I actually learned... and trust me, I do mean very little.
I've edited the entry now to reflect all the changes, and update the errors I found from other sources too. I'll post those once I get them organized.
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on May 16, 2020 16:25:39 GMT
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on May 16, 2020 18:07:35 GMT
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"Frohe Weihnachten und ein glückliches Neues Jahr" Same to you (and thanks for the links)
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on May 16, 2020 18:20:26 GMT
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If there was an MM made, that automatically means there was an AE. Can you verify the magnification factor too, so that I can also add that into the notes? I think it might be a 1:1 if it's barrel is similar to the Makro-Planar 100 and the ML 100. I think there are some lenses that were only made in MM form. The Vario Sonnars 28-70, 35-70 and 28-85 I think were all introduced post MM. So no AE versions. The 100/3.5 isn't a macro lens. Closest focus is 1m. In addition, the 35-135, 80-200, 100-300 zooms and the compact version of the 60mm f/2.8 macro only exist in MM form.
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on May 17, 2020 1:32:37 GMT
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The 100 3.5 Sonnar is a lovely little lens that was a commercial flop when it was introduced in the early 1980s.
It is very sharp, has great contrast, even illumination and is very well built - it will last longer than a lifetime. But it's a kind of pointless lens in the Contax Zeiss pantheon as it sits between the 85mm and 135mm short telephotos and is completely overwhelmed by the superb 100 f2 Planar. I bought one in the early 1980s but almost never used it as I had the 85 1.4 & 1.2, 100 f2 and 135 f2. Zeiss simply got it wrong with marketing two particular Sonnars - the 85mm and 100mm - as they had pushed the faster Planar versions and these appealed to the professionals who could justify the additional costs as they offered image qualities that the slower Sonnars could not match. For the amateur, the 85 and 100 Sonnars were ideal - compact, not too expensive (by Zeiss standards!) and capable of delivering super images - I never saw a poor review of either lens. But being overshadowed by the marketing of the Planars, neither lens' sales took off in a big way. But they were admired and over time as the amateur market shifted towards lightweight and compact equipment, both the 85 2.8 and 100 3.5 were quietly re-introduced. Too little and too late, they never reached the sales figures their qualities merited. They are simply very fine, short telephoto lenses that will never disappoint - but they've always been in the shade of their more speedy, flashy brothers the Planars.
The 100 3.5 Sonnar has been around a long time even though production was halted for a period. It is and always has been an excellent lens and now has something of a cult following which is why good examples at sensible prices are increasingly hard to find. If you can find one (well done Matthias!) you will not be disappointed - sharp, compact, great contrast, excellent build quality....all the classic Zeiss hallmarks.
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on May 17, 2020 7:45:39 GMT
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Hi Graham, nothing bad meant, especially nothing personal against you, but let me guess, i'd like to tell you something - into the past years, i do see this Board here more & more use-less, because of one thing, you do write about Yashica or Contax Lens xy, about it's typical Zeiss Trademarks, and then shortly after Prices are doubling, even quadruple, or more. For Instance, this Zeiss 100/3.5 isn't being rare, at least i do know about it for more than >2 Decades, but i am not needing it, 100mm is neither like 85, or 135mm my focal Length. I just can't think of any other Forum, where Lens xy is then that much being praised, and shortly after that, Prices have been raised a lot, because of that....People are binging, google-ing Lens xy, before they'd consider to buy it, nowadays....that's a very sad Trend... What i want to say is, it's extraordinary, that you've got such a *BIG* Contax/Yashica Lenses Collection, i am proud of you, really. But one must understood, this isn't a private Forum, Google, Bing etc. are indexing every single Thread, -hence Message here, and i've seen shortly after that, Prices have had risen way much on eBay. Even some Sellers are pointing back to the Forum here, about Lens xy. It's always starting like the "infamous" Angry Photographer on YT, which Posts like "Secret SuperDuper must-have Lens xy" That's a way sad development, because it all gets a hell lot more expensive. For instance (i don't blame you, Graham, just into general here, for the target Audience) the Yashica ML 28-50 3.5...it was just back into 2015, 2016 around 40 to 65 EUR, now some Freaks on eBay are selling this Lens for 348 EUR+...that's insane, even more than it's asking Price back then new.
I'm just thinking, if this Trend goes further, even under performing 08/15 Lenses like the ML 50/1.9c, which i'd personally never buy, would cost someday xxx EUR....
Last, but not least, every Lens is only as good, as the Photographer, to reach it's full Potential. One can make fine compositions, even with Junk Lenses, from a Composition Point. I've seen great Pictures from People with just a Holga.
A fine Weekend, Guys.
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on May 17, 2020 10:17:22 GMT
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I think your understanding of what drives up prices is flawed Marc. It's not this forum for sure. But if you believe that, maybe you could give some examples of where it's happened or where sellers have linked back to this forum - because I've never seen it.
But reading between the lines, you seem to be suggesting we shouldn't praise equipment here. Really?! That, I think, is quite unbelievable.
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on May 17, 2020 13:27:23 GMT
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Hi lenslover,
You raise some interesting points.
I doubt that this Forum is particularly responsible for the general rise in Yashica or Zeiss lens prices but you may have a point when it comes to some of the more rare or obscure items. People looking for information on them will go to their favourite search engine and see what they can find; if it's an uncommon item and we have discussed it, it is more likely to get picked up by the search engines in the early part of their lists simply because there's very little alternative information on the web.
This is probably further strengthened by the fact that we are quite an active forum; the Pentax user forum is another good example of this as they dedicate a large part of their site to user reviews of 3rd party lenses and these form an invaluable source of information on deciding whether to purchase a particular lens from Super-Paragon, Vivitar, Soligor, etc. etc. I use them constantly along with allphotolenses, forum.mflenses, apotelyt, collectiblend, the various wiki sites and so on and also contribute to some of them. I'm sure there are a few more members of this Forum who are similarly active.
It would be nice to think that we were influential but I doubt it; we are just one of a number of sites dedicated to extolling the virtues and exposing the flaws in our favourite marques. If someone is searching for information on a Yashica item, we are likely to pop up at some stage in a search and when it comes to lenses, the searcher is probably a pretty competent photographer if they're interested in old analogue equipment and so is looking with some prior knowledge. The Zeiss name has for decades been its own recruitment poster and I doubt that this Forum would appear in the first 100 listings as our discussion on their gear is pretty minimal. Out of interest I Googled Contax Zeiss 100mm f3.5 and am pleased to report that we appeared on the fifth page of results - for the ML 100 3.5! I also so searched for 'Yashica Lenses' and you will be heartened to know that we did not appear in the first 7 pages of listings (I got bored after that)...
You are quite right to bemoan the rise in prices of some of our favourite gear. Oft times we start a thread because of something seen or bought on an auction site or from a major retailer or e-tailer which means that the item is already out there stirring the consciousness of the photographic buying public. If they come across us when looking for information on an item and we have discussed it and praised it, then, I suppose, they will buy or bid with greater confidence and over time prices may firm up or nudge north on a specific item.
It does raise a rather sad issue that must be contributing to the increased amount of analogue gear being sold and that is simply death. I see a lot of equipment bought originally in the 1950s-1970s appearing now as estate sales and often the family selling the gear have little knowledge of it - or its worth. This has been especially the case with Yashica cameras from 1959 to the late sixties. Six of the last ten Yashica cameras and lenses I bought have resulted from a death in someone's family. On a personal note, given my age and health, it won't be that long before my stuff appears on the market - you may be lucky as the sudden appearance of over 1000 Contax and Yashica items may send prices lower - over 400 Yashica and Zeiss lenses might send prices tumbling. That would be a fun legacy for buyers.
With more gear appearing on the market - and with Ebay effectively setting market prices - I suspect there is more search activity relating to camera and lens marques and their prices. At least when it comes to prices, we don't contribute much to the debate whereas the Pentax forum quotes prices paid by members for lenses as well as an assessment (pretty helpful) of their qualities.
I think at a generic Yashica level, this Forum merely contributes to background noise when it comes to the matter of pricing but you may have a point on specific, less common items that we explore in our many threads. But I'm not a lover of the notion of self-censoring; I feel it is the role of this Forum to encourage an appreciation of all things Yashica - good and bad - and if that means we have to pay a few more pennies for our favourite marque, is it not worth it to realize that we have helped introduce new people to the enjoyment of Yashica gear and they will in turn continue to spread the word?
Come on lenslover, give yourself a big pat on the back for contributing to the growing number of people trying Yashica cameras and lenses for the first time...
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