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on Feb 23, 2020 1:39:00 GMT
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Howdy. I am new here, and im trying to find some info on a lens I just picked up today. I see that it's mainly a collectors item but I'm not sure of it's worth or age or such. It's a Super Yashinon-R 1:6.3 F=40cm. I have pictures but dont ser a way to attach them to this post so here on some links. ibb.co/Y87F4kjibb.co/5Mpfww3ibb.co/q1dSKVpAny assistance is appreciated. -Ken.
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on Feb 23, 2020 8:37:16 GMT
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Welcome to the forum Ken... There might be a few members that can fill in some details on the lens. At the very least I can give you some basic info to get you started. There's a brochure/advertisement on the J-5/J-P cameras posted here on the site, and it includes your 40cm lens as part of the pictured lens group. I don't have an age on the lens itself, but the date attributed to the ad is 1964, and both those camera models were introduced in that same year. The later J-7's were first produced in 1968, and I don't know if any of the preset lenses made it into the lineup that late. The TL/TL-Super series from 1966 still had some Yashinon-R lenses showing in their fold-up lens insert sheets, but no 40cm/400mm lenses in the whole group of any Yashinon type, R's or otherwise. I can't help much with rarity or prices, so I'll leave that for others to offer. The J-5/J-P ad noted earlier had a list price of $170 set for the 40cm, so that lens would set you back $1473.41, adjusted for 2019 US dollars. For the attachment issue... yashica.boards.net/post/5232/thread
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on Feb 24, 2020 0:37:57 GMT
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Welcome to the forum Ken... There might be a few members that can fill in some details on the lens. At the very least I can give you some basic info to get you started. There's a brochure/advertisement on the J-5/J-P cameras posted here on the site, and it includes your 40cm lens as part of the pictured lens group. I don't have an age on the lens itself, but the date attributed to the ad is 1964, and both those camera models were introduced in that same year. The later J-7's were first produced in 1968, and I don't know if any of the preset lenses made it into the lineup that late. The TL/TL-Super series from 1966 still had some Yashinon-R lenses showing in their fold-up lens insert sheets, but no 40cm/400mm lenses in the whole group of any Yashinon type, R's or otherwise. I can't help much with rarity or prices, so I'll leave that for others to offer. The J-5/J-P ad noted earlier had a list price of $170 set for the 40cm, so that lens would set you back $1473.41, adjusted for 2019 US dollars. For the attachment issue... yashica.boards.net/post/5232/threadAppreciate the info. I'm guessing I did pretty good for $40.00 then. Granted it didn't come with a case, but does have a lens cover.
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on Feb 24, 2020 3:18:49 GMT
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If the 'collector' in me buys something, that lens has several values and only one is the cost. With anything I'd buy to use... I'll pay a fair price, as long as the results it produces can justify the cost for the quality and character I'm after. Either way, if my palms are sweaty and itchy once I own something, I paid too much. I'm lucky that's been a very rare event.
Since Yashinon-R lenses in most flavors are M42, they can have a new life in a digital world if your intent would be to use it. With screw-mount bodies of good quality being dirt cheap and with plenty to choose from, there's no big cah outlay to combine the two, and shoot with film, if that's your preference.
I don't have one of my own to compare with, but of the long tele-primes I have in the 400mm range, the best of the bunch was also a preset. In my case, it's a Mamiya-Sekor M42 400mm f/6.3 from the late 50's to early 60's. The 1000 DTL it came on only needed a bit of TLC to come back from the dead, and I think I paid $40 for the pair. Unfortunately it isn't Yashica glass (or Zeiss Contax), as I'm partial to the color/contrast/character they offer.
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on Feb 24, 2020 22:24:23 GMT
Posted: Feb 24, 2020 22:24:23 GMT
About that same time, Yashica (I mean Tomioka) made a very similar 600mm and 800mm. These were recently discussed on this board.
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on Feb 25, 2020 5:05:44 GMT
Posted: Feb 25, 2020 5:05:44 GMT
About that same time, Yashica (I mean Tomioka) made a very similar 600mm and 800mm. These were recently discussed on this board. And speaking of Tomioka... I have long suspected they were also the makers of the Mamiya-Sekor M42 400mm and 200mm f/4. I know they were attributed to a number of the standard and wide primes for Mamiya during the DTL/TL period in both the black and chrome-nose variety, and both the 200 and 400 have the same optical character and styling cues in their construction.
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on Feb 25, 2020 14:33:21 GMT
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You may well be correct, since Tomioka made lenses for cameras other than Yashica's & Contax's, but most of Mamiya's lenses were made by Setagaya (AKA Sekor).
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on Feb 25, 2020 21:28:49 GMT
Posted: Feb 25, 2020 21:28:49 GMT
Hello Ken,
You have a pretty rare lens which first appeared in 1962 (I have heard that some came to market in Japan in late 1961). I believe your lens has a 3/3 optical configuration. It bears no resemblance to the later Auto Yashinon/Auto Yashinon-DX 400mm f5.6, which was the basis for the ill-fated ML 400mm f5.6, and had a 5/5 optical configuration. In the early 1960s your lens had a good reputation with wildlife photographers.
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on Mar 3, 2020 20:47:10 GMT
Posted: Mar 3, 2020 20:47:10 GMT
Thanks for the feedback
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on Mar 22, 2020 5:33:26 GMT
Posted: Mar 22, 2020 5:33:26 GMT
I appreciate everyones help! Any idea of the value?
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on Mar 24, 2020 15:08:06 GMT
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kenw449 To fall back on generalities - pricing and 'worth' can be illusive to pin down when it comes to photo gear, as opposed to pieces of art or the usual collectable items. Rarity doesn't get rewarded with a high price just because there are limited quantities of 'XYZ' lenses or cameras. As a collector, there may be a half-dozen factors, from condition, to usability as a quality optic and it's reputation, to modern adaptability... on down to the (last, for me) remaining numbers of that item in the world. Then there's always the question of what a buyer is willing to pay in order to have (or use) whatever is for sale, and that's a moving target too. If previous prices paid are an acceptable indicator, then there aren't any sold items to match in trying with ebay's past 90 day searches, but they do show some siblings. You might try asking Roberts Photo ( usedphotopro.com) or KEH ( keh.com) what they'd offer for it. The last resort would be to dig through a bunch of specialty auctions for photo gear. There's catawiki.com, or Barnebys ( barnebys.com/realized-prices) or Westlicht Auctions (now leitz-auction.com).The last 2 require registration to do deep searches.
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on Mar 26, 2020 4:46:28 GMT
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kenw449 To fall back on generalities - pricing and 'worth' can be illusive to pin down when it comes to photo gear, as opposed to pieces of art or the usual collectable items. Rarity doesn't get rewarded with a high price just because there are limited quantities of 'XYZ' lenses or cameras. As a collector, there may be a half-dozen factors, from condition, to usability as a quality optic and it's reputation, to modern adaptability... on down to the (last, for me) remaining numbers of that item in the world. Then there's always the question of what a buyer is willing to pay in order to have (or use) whatever is for sale, and that's a moving target too. If previous prices paid are an acceptable indicator, then there aren't any sold items to match in trying with ebay's past 90 day searches, but they do show some siblings. You might try asking Roberts Photo ( usedphotopro.com) or KEH ( keh.com) what they'd offer for it. The last resort would be to dig through a bunch of specialty auctions for photo gear. There's catawiki.com, or Barnebys ( barnebys.com/realized-prices) or Westlicht Auctions (now leitz-auction.com).The last 2 require registration to do deep searches. Appreciate the info as always. To be clear, i am not looking to sell it, was just curious. I did see one up for sale under the $400 mark, but that doesnt mean it will fetch that much. Im never going to be a pro photographer, I just like having fun, so im not likely to ever spend >$500 on a lens. So i just play around with older lens and some modern ones i find online locally for around $100.
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on Mar 26, 2020 16:36:40 GMT
Last Edit: Mar 27, 2020 14:35:37 GMT by xkaes
Judging from the suggested configuration (3/3), that explains the slow f6.3 f-stop. Tomioka made several lenses for Yashica in this style. I have a list -- somewhere. Many were sold under different names, from Vivitar to Soligor.
Well, I can't find the list, but the Tomioka SUPER Yashinon-R (the "R" meaning PRE-SET) teles run from 135mm to 800mm. They first showed up in the 1960's which explains why some are marked CM and others (some the exact same lens) marked MM. Here are the 200mm (AKA 20CM) f4.5 (4/4), followed by the 400mm (AKA 40CM) f6.3 (3/3?), and 800mm f8 (2/1). You can see that they all have the same exact style for the pre-set ring, focusing ring, DOF scale, grip, etc.
The Board lens list shows Super Yashinon-R tele lenses at 135mm, 180mm, 200mm, 250mm, 300mm, 400mm, 600mm, and 800mm. The 600mm and 800mm are not marked as "R", but they should be.
Tokina later produced some of these lenses shortly after Tomioka stopped making them. Since the mechanics of the Tokina lenses (AKA Vivitar, Soligor, etc.) are exactly the same as the Tomioka lenses, they either bought the production gear or stole it in the middle of the night. Tokina made optical changes to the 600mm and 800mm models by adding a second group of elements to the rear of the lenses -- making them 4/2 lenses. This shortened the lenses quite a bit, but the external features and appearance remained identical.
I hope these pictures show up OK. For me, sometimes they do and sometimes they don't -- go figure.
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on Mar 26, 2020 21:00:59 GMT
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xkaes .. they weren't showing for me either, so I took the liberty and uploaded copies to the gallery to repost here. I'm not sure why they aren't displaying - they're inserted correctly in your reply. Full size: gallery.yashicaforum.net/album/yashinon-r.Par
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on Mar 27, 2020 0:31:29 GMT
Last Edit: Mar 27, 2020 14:33:07 GMT by xkaes
Thanks. It seems like everything is going wacky these days. At this point, I consider myself lucky if I can send a simple e-mail.
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