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on Aug 16, 2019 21:09:32 GMT
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I had quite forgotten that this is the last year of operation for the calendars on Yashica's DA-1, DA-2 and DA-5 backs.
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I don't know why Kyocera had so little faith in the longevity of their cameras that they limited their active calendar function to 2019. By comparison, Contax D-7 Data-Backs which were introduced way back in 1987, will work as calendars until 2079! Plus of course, all the Contax Data-Backs built from the D-7 onwards also function as data recorders and intervalometers. Technically, Yashica backs are Date-Backs rather than data-backs.
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on Aug 18, 2019 3:26:34 GMT
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It was probably more a matter of trying to figure out how long it would be before introducing the next models, and how long afterwards people would switch over to the newer stuff. Of course, that became a mute subject when Yashica folded.
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on Aug 18, 2019 11:03:51 GMT
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My theory … for what it is worth … is it had more to do with the electronic chip counting capacity! I wonder if anyone could be so interested to count the number of days from when the backs were issued to 2019 and see it is close to some multiple of 2 (to the power n) :-)
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on Aug 19, 2019 1:56:04 GMT
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My theory … for what it is worth … is it had more to do with the electronic chip counting capacity! I wonder if anyone could be so interested to count the number of days from when the backs were issued to 2019 and see it is close to some multiple of 2 (to the power n) :-) That too. If Yashica wanted to, they could have used a different chipset that would have given almost unlimited date capability. But that would have added extra cost, and thus possibly missing the price point.
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on Aug 19, 2019 19:19:03 GMT
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I would leave like that, the display is not mechanical so it is capable to count at least till 99 and any chipset from that time was capable too.
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on Aug 19, 2019 20:30:37 GMT
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I would leave like that, the display is not mechanical so it is capable to count at least till 99 and any chipset from that time was capable too. My question then … so why didn't they?
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on Aug 20, 2019 0:38:22 GMT
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I would leave like that, the display is not mechanical so it is capable to count at least till 99 and any chipset from that time was capable too. My question then … so why didn't they? Just good old planned obsolescence?
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on Aug 25, 2019 19:04:32 GMT
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I was just about to pull the trigger on a 137 DataBack at KEH. I guess I should hold off until I can find out if it's also effected by the 'expired' chip. I should also go through the ones I already have to figure out whether any others are doomed as well. Thanks for the reminder biggles3
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on Aug 26, 2019 22:19:26 GMT
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I was just about to pull the trigger on a 137 DataBack at KEH. I guess I should hold off until I can find out if it's also effected by the 'expired' chip. I should also go through the ones I already have to figure out whether any others are doomed as well. Thanks for the reminder biggles3 You are welcome!
Basically, leaving to one side the old analogue dials of the original Contax RTS and Yashica FR Data Backs, the LCD display date/data backs for the Yashica FX-series and the Contax D-4, D-5 and D-6 backs were all good to 1999. The Contax D-7, D-8, D-9 & D-10 have calendars that should work until at least 2079 although only the D-7 states this.
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on Aug 26, 2019 23:29:41 GMT
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I dug up a dealer sheet on the 137 back, and it turns out it's the D-5. That one won't do intervalometer functions, so that leaves only the index, count, and 2 types of date/time stamps. Without doing intervals puts a limit on its usefulness for me, so... out of the basket it goes. I still have to look through the others, and assuming I still have batteries, I'll post details, once tested.
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on Aug 27, 2019 11:04:28 GMT
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I dug up a dealer sheet on the 137 back, and it turns out it's the D-5. That one won't do intervalometer functions, so that leaves only the index, count, and 2 types of date/time stamps. Without doing intervals puts a limit on its usefulness for me, so... out of the basket it goes. I still have to look through the others, and assuming I still have batteries, I'll post details, once tested. Hi - intervalometer functions (and hyper-extended long exposure) started with the D-7, as did more complex data recording.
That means that intervalometer capabilities were only available for the Contax RTS/RTS Fundus/RTSII and Yashica FR/FRI/FRII via the Intervalometer Accessory for their Winders; via the PMD/W-6 for the Contaxes; or AC Control Box (for the 3 Yashica cameras to use this they needed to be coupled to a RTS Winder); the 167MT & ST (using the D-7), AX (D-8), Aria (D-9) and N-1 (D-10). As far as I know, no Yashica SLR cameras offered an intervalometer, although I can't speak for the dental/medical FX-3 variant with its dedicated FX data back as I've not owned one, though I doubt it would have had anything more than date and rudimentary data recording.
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on Aug 27, 2019 19:44:55 GMT
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.... although I can't speak for the dental/medical FX-3 variant with its dedicated FX data back as I've not owned one, though I doubt it would have had anything more than date and rudimentary data recording.
To fill in the blanks on the Dental Eyes - I have the I and III. I don't have the optional back for the I, but I don't recall it having more than just date functions from anything I've read, but I don't know what date-chip it uses for setting the current year. I think they only came with dial-type settings knobs, and not the later push-button panels. With the body based of the FX series, I doubt it would have intervals anyway, and it might be an early type that can't handle current dates/times. The III only has date functions in it's 'Date-Unit' (as the manual calls it), which won't do intervals. According to the manual for the Dental Eye II, it too uses only dates. It looks to be the same back as on the III, and both were included with the setup, and not optional backs like the I. I presume that Dentists created far too many photos over time, and wouldn't want a tool unless it had a date function as a default. My RX I's have the correct dates, but sadly no interval function. It looks like they use the same 'Date-Unit' that's on the Dental Eye III - which also shows today's date. I have one data back for my 167's to swap back & forth that does have the interval functions, and it is indeed a D-7. I'll have to dig out the 2 button cells to power it up, but it was working correctly earlier this year. Why on earth they stuck them under a panel only accessible when the film door is open, is beyond me though. Thanks for the thorough rundown on the capabilities @biggles. I thought I had a back for an RTS I, but if I do it's run off to hide somewhere, but otherwise, what I do have is working okay. Luckily there are still batteries, and they're cheap too, so no reason not to use them if you need the functions. EDIT: After looking at the details shown in the Dental Eye II manual, the backs are not the same. The II also uses a CR2025, but like the D-7 back, you need to access its battery compartment by opening the back and unscrewing a cover plate from the inside.
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on Aug 27, 2019 20:06:41 GMT
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Speaking of batteries... The Dental Eye III and the RX use CR2025 batteries. I have a Digisix meter that uses CR2016 batteries, which is the same diameter and voltage/amperage - but is only about half the thickness. If you need a substitute, or if you need both battery numbers... a small and thin leather, paper, or cardstock shim can be used to easily make the CR2016 work in the backs. The shim won't interfere with any contacts, so its only there for a space filler.
There's a CR2032 battery that's the same voltage/diameter, but it's as thick as a CR2016 and CR2025 stacked together, so they won't fit without breaking the casing.
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on Sept 10, 2020 16:35:15 GMT
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Speaking of date-backs, it's not just Yashica that had no faith in longevity, Contax used the same chip on its date-backs too.
Cameras like the RX which have the in-built date-back can no longer record dates as, like their Yashica cousins, they too stopped on 31.12.2019.
Only the recent, dedicated Contax Data-Backs (from D-7 onwards) can continue until 2079. Given the additional functionality of the Data-Backs (intervalometer, broader sets of data recording, etc.) it is hardly surprising that a much more sophisticated chip was required and, as the backs provide a lot of important remote functions for their respective cameras, they could be expected to have an increased longevity.
It's probably also how Contax/Kyocera tried to justify the staggering prices of their D-7, 8, 9 & 10 Backs.
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on Sept 10, 2020 17:54:42 GMT
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The built-in data backs on my Samurai Z's are still working fine, but of course I don't know for how long. I don't have any of the other Samurais, but since they were made around the same time as the Z's, I assume they are working fine as well.
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