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on Feb 13, 2022 0:09:18 GMT
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I seem to have 2 rather odd shutter issues that I haven't run across before, and I'm wondering if anyone has had similar issues and found a fix.
RTS I: When cocking the film advance the shutter will fire shortly after starting the stroke, and occasionally the shutter will even fire twice before the full stroke is complete. There's no tripping the shutter button to get this to happen - it just fires during the advance without any other action. The mirror goes up and returns as expected, there's no locked mechanical levers that I've found while looking under the bottom cover, and there's no extra noises or anything to suggest there's any broken parts... it just acts like the gearing ratio is 'off' or something mechanical isn't getting 'caught'.
137MD: Shutter curtain is stuck in mid-travel at about the 25% point from the left - looking at the open back. The batteries are fresh, the green check light comes on, but when moved into the on position, the light flashes red quickly and constantly until power is shut off. There's a bit of slow 'whirring' noise when the power is on, but it quickly stops after 1 second or so. Unlike the RTS, there's no easy access to the internals by pulling off any bottom cover. I've had something kind of similar happen when the batteries suddenly drop below operating voltage, but normally putting in fresh batteries forces the cycle to complete and stages everything to continue with the next frame -but- that doesn't trigger the flashing red LED from what I remember.
Any ideas?
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on Feb 13, 2022 10:15:03 GMT
Posted: Feb 13, 2022 10:15:03 GMT
With the RTS, I don't understand how the shutter can fire twice but the fact that it fires at all during cocking suggests the latch that holds it in the cocked condition isn't holding. The latch is under the base plate and directly under the plate that has the tripod bush mounted in it (arrowed in the picture). This is an RTS I have on the bench right now and I tried to simulate what you are seeing but couldn't. Also, I can't get the tripod bush plate off this one - seems the screws have been glued in, so I can't show exactly where the latch is.  With the 137, I've seen the shutter get stuck like that but it usually sorts itself when it gets cocked again. But if yours isn't doing that then I think the only thing is to cock it manually and the only way I know how to do that is to get inside. The picture here shows the shutter out of the camera. The red arrow shows the gear that should be turned clockwise to cock the shutter (use a screw driver in the screw). The green arrow shows the lever to release the shutter which can also be accessed though the gap marked by the blue arrow. But, as I recall, to get at any of this means removing some other stuff first. Getting the top plate off is easy so I would take it off and see if you can get to these points or, if not, how much needs to be removed to do so. It's been a while since I worked on one. 
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on Feb 14, 2022 6:50:08 GMT
Posted: Feb 14, 2022 6:50:08 GMT
@peterr ... Thanks for the great photos and fix details! I'll set aside some time to investigate these further and see what magic I can pull off. With some luck the RTS might be a possibility as long as something is only stuck and needs a little nudge. I might have a spare RTS for a donor, but I'll need to dig a bit to see what's going on first. The 137 might be more difficult since I'm not one to do a deep mechanical dive that seems to be needed in this case, but I'll certainly take a look.
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