xkaes, wow so many threads into short time, you've been newer here then myself, for instance.
To make it real, and what younger members don't know: Tomioka is nothing special at all, it was a "hype" started by 2 guys, trying to make money onto the net, you can read it all here (use google translate) nothing bad meant.
Hello photo friend,
it's good that you sent me the link because I'm by no means a tomioka expert.
I also didn't want to make (your) Tomioka bad or praise my Cosina 1,2 / 55 about everything.
The only thing that has always bothered me is the aggressively one-sided praise of my "own" brand,
as Leica owners, for example, have always liked to do.
Most of them didn't even know that until recently almost all Leica lenses
were based on Zeiss calculations.
My Tomioka skepticism didn't trigger you either,
but the noticeable crush on ebay and some forums.
I haven't missed a photo magazine or test from 1973 to 85,
but Tomiokas didn't excel
(I remember umpteen brand names, but not Tomioka).
If there suddenly, in addition to the raving, outrageously high starting prices
(300-600 €) appear on ebay (and "Oh horror, end at over 400 €"),
one becomes suspicious and asks oneself: what is behind this?
Now that I've been to the Tomioka fan page, I suspect
that the two photo friends at least have a share in the fairy tale (oops ... myth).
They even speak literally of the "Tomioka myth" and explain it
one of their main goals is to spread this myth even further.
Maybe they had a few 1.2s to sell in 2005, because they also talk about it,
to have tested several in comparison with the Noctilux.
Noticeable in general is the well-considered crush on the Noctilux.
Incidentally, that was and is such a completely inappropriate myth.
You can still accept the first enthusiasm in the 70s,
because there were hardly any light giants and the sensitive films were one
Catastrophe.
At the latest the test with the following competitors (see below test color photo 1980)
should have stopped the myth, because the Noctilux 1.0 / 50 was the worst
(really bad) among the brightest lenses. But once a myth is there ...
www.tomioka.deIf you read the Tomioka page carefully, it turns out to be a confused hodgepodge.
made by people who do not have the right perspective,
but piecing together a company "story" that doesn't go together anywhere.
"Proof" for the outstanding Tomioka quality is simply claimed,
the "famous" Tomioka lenses from the 1950s would be top lenses.
However, Yashica lenses are shown, and Tomioka is not supposed to have Yashica until 1968
have taken over (in addition, the European
Optics products have come out on top).
Even what is then mentioned are absolutely not milestones in lens construction.
Somehow the two of them also noticed that this won't convince anyone,
and tries to make the 1.2 Tomioka through the "Noctilux effect" (what is that?)
upgrade.
The Leitzians, who still haven't noticed that at least 1.0 Noctilux
"Scrap" (sorry. See preface) was to be compared with their own myth
Do not like to hear and completely freak out when you read the "formula"
1,2 Tomioka = Noctilux.
At Asterix it would say: They're crazy, the Romans.
Anyone who has a Tomioka and knows the Noctilux tests will not wish
that his lens is as "good" as a 1.0 Noctilux.
There is also everything to suggest that the Tomioka is more of a 1.2 / 55 Yashica, which is the
Leica (worst lens in the test) easily left it behind (see test section, link below).
The two sections over the Tomioka and the Noctilux are bursting with hair-raising nonsense:
1. First you did comparison tests with a Noctilux,
2. then you didn't have a "real" (?), But (!?!)
3. the experiences with this lens confirm your claims (huh?)
4. Then "the Noctiluxe on ebay usually cost more than 4000 euros" (ojeh!)
5. They don't know much about the individual Noctilux versions either
6. That they never had a Noctilux to test is credible if they heard of the
rave about extraordinary sharpness at 1.2
7. It's nice that the Noctilux also "makes strong colors", you can do that
yes, use it really well in the colorless night
If sooo Tomioka is, of course everyone wants one for 599 (ebay) euros,
and I understand that nobody wants my 1.2 Cosina for 120,
from my 1.2 / 50 Pentax (in the test even better than the good Yashica)
for 270 nothing to talk about.
Incidentally, in the "test" the Tomiokans depict a Yashinon 1.2 / 55mm Tomioka,
overwrite it and name it 2x with Cosinon 1.2 / 55mm Tomioka.
Doesn't everything seem to be so clear with the company affiliation.
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In any case, you have to give both of them credit for their success
Do advertising campaign (or was it more missionary work?).
In just 3 years (since mid-2004) they have managed to post their in many forums
To find believers.
Some have already found their fulfillment in the form of a tomioka.
Others had to limit themselves to proselytizing new disciples due to a lack of offers,
and a few thought of their fellow man first and selflessly
separated from her Tomioka treasure, so that her neighbor might find salvation first.
The purity of teaching is guarded with sectarian sharpness.
Leading slogan in forums: "Tomioka is only in there if it says Tomioka"
(But I am glad that one does not have to fear this substance in everyone and everything).
As always there are people here who lack the right faith,
but which strive for ultimate perfection and wishful thinking
poor misguided people take advantage of and help in their own way, faith
to spread, or to drive the price of miraculous relics into astronomical heights.
One can comfort oneself with this:
The Yashica is good, and the Tomioka too, and the newly formulated one is bad
Cosina version Revue / Porst 1,2 / 55mm with K-bayonet also not to be.
Nothing forces a clear-thinking person to believe in 2007
- that a small manufacturer held the holy grail in lens construction in the 50s / 60s
has found,
- Nobody knew / noticed anything about it until the beginning of 2000
- and nothing for the booming photo industry as a whole for 20-30 years (apart from the "Noctilux effect")
has brought about what could stink against the Holy Tomioka Grail.
The fact that it "fits" with its M42 thread on some DSLRs is of course not at all
Reason to buy a Tomioka for 300 (or 600) euros,
Since I accuse both Tomiokans of contradictions and nonsensical claims / "evidence",
I also offer a few original citations below as a source of reference for those
who have no inclination / time to read everything directly on their site.
Sincerely
Camera doctor
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And why Tomioka ... ... because our tests with several Tomioka optics
in comparison with a "LEICANoctilux ® 50mm 1: 1.1" lens, (viewed on canvas),
have shown that the image or image quality, as well as the "Noctilux effect" at least
is equal and has no differences to the above-mentioned top optics!
... because, in our opinion, they are Noctilux® lenses - our experience confirms that!
... because with auction platforms such as e-Bay®, with a little luck and patience
a beautiful piece in good condition can be bought from EUR 300 ;-)
and a "comparable Leica-Noctilux® 50mm / 1.2" usually costs more than EUR 4,000 there too!
... because the Tomioka lenses 55mm 1: 1.2 have an M42 connection - with an "M42 adapter"
can also be used with modern cameras (analog or even digital)!
NOCTILUX® In 1966, Leica launched the legendary "Noctilux®" 50mm 1: 1.2,
and this lens that "sees more than the human eye" was produced until 1975.
Its successor, the 50mm 1: 1.1, built in Canada from 1976, should - they say - no longer die
(Image) quality of its predecessor.
According to our research, Tomioka® produced its 55mm 1: 1.2 between 1965 (before Leica ?!) and 1973.
Unfortunately we have not been able to test a "real" LeicaNoctilux®,
but can describe our experiences with this lens as follows:
-Exceptional sharpness and that from f / 1.2!
-Bold colors, maybe a little too strong on Velvia (everything tastes
...and so it is with all possibly overhyped "Tomioka" Lenses.
You can read the full text here:
www.kameradoktor.de/tomioka1,255mm/